Hi again David, have you heard back from the CCC yet? Tick, tock! Also, just saw this - and I can't work out if Pinchbeck is just stupid or mendacious at this point: https://x.com/CleaningUpPod/status/1905319901029359974
Mr Turver, I think it too early to celebrate. They're still receiving masses of public money to spout hogwash. All that's happened is they're just ignoring the annoying proles who hinder their grand plan.
The salaries are still pouring in, the destructive law spewing out. Only when the CCC and other pointless such quangos are shut down, the horrific 'net zero' nonsense repealed and the 'climate change' act revoked will there be progress.
You have obviously not understood the rules of the game, the CCC are a law unto themselves, answering to no-one, and certainly not to the peasantry whose role is too just pay taxes and accept that energy poverty set at Third World levels are our “gift” to the planet.
Lee Anderson asked Starmer the question simply and directly - how much would temperatures be affected by achieving net zero in the UK? Starmer didn't answer the question, of course.
Starmer won't answer because the answer is 'not a jot'. He won't admit that because it skewers the entire farce of the green con: it's nothing but a tax scam.
after a lot of persuasion from Claire Coutinho in the background. The shadow DESNZ team have mostly been batting from that hymnsheet for a while now. Unsurprisingly, the Conservative Environment Network has come out with heavy criticism, reported e.g. here
Perhaps it will split the party. It will certainly ensure that the CEN ousts her as soon as it can. Kemi is at least right that Reform have no clue how to tackle abolishing Net Zero (as we discussed here recently), but she has obviously decided that Tory policy is not yet battle ready either, though to be fair there are a huge number of banana skins coming up for Miliband in the coming months and it might be less effective to try to anticipate how they will unfold.
We all know what will happen though. As soon as she gets into office amazingly she'll find that it is achievable and that we can do it and that it is the most important thing for mankind and higher bills are a small price to pay - for them - under orders from the puppet masters.
I don't agree. Miliband is lining up an energy crisis because his plans are infeasible. That's actually a big factor behind why Kemi has come out against them. The attempts to impose EVs and heat pumps are failing. The idea of insulating the housing stock, starting with rentals will be making people homeless as property is withdrawn by landlords and kept empty until sold. The plan to build lots of wind and cut gas will also fail. Whoever takes over will be forced to build gas because it can be done quickly or even hire in diesel generating ships just to keep the lights on. The economic crash from attempting net zero will make it untenable.
However, there is no guarantee that politician directed solutions will be sensible, as we have already seen from Reform. We are going to have to keep sticking our necks out to try to steer parties against net zero in the right direction.
You are right in what you say - the policies are failing (although our house did get one, but as I've said, I'd have liked the choice of gas or a heatpump).
However you're ignoring the mendacity, spite and stupidity of government. These people lie constantly, endlessly. The damage their idiocy does is irrelevant to them. The Left don't care about the consequences. If they did net zero would be abandoned faster than molten uranium.
I'll take a bet - a penny, mind - that either Badenoch is defenestrated swiftly over this view or, should she get into office she will volte face at a speed Superman would be proud of to continue the hoax.
We should be building nuclear, coal and gas power stations now. Why coal and gas? Because we need an energy mix, not reliance on one type of fuel.
Badenoch will almost certainly be ousted, at least if the party remains intact. If it splits the first question is what happens to the particles. It's not clear that she would retain leadership if say Jenrick split with her. But I think Jenrick would be more likely to backslide than Badenoch. Neither would really have much of an option other than to try to repair the effects of the net zero wrecking ball. But there is lots of scope to make a mess of that.
I've become a dreadful cynic in my old age and I do no believe - short of violence - that the Left will ever let the tax scam hoax of 'climate change' go. They've prepared well, with multiple entrenched legislation, regulation and countless quangos bedding it in.
Too many mouths (I quite like pigs so can't compare politicians to them) are at the trough for them to let it go. It is their vehicle to force poverty and control over the public and industry. They'll not tolerate anyone jeopardising their 'final solution'.
That is why repairing the damage is about a lot more than just politicians. You need to have people lined up to redirect the quangos and close many of them down, and you need to know which bits you need to keep
These are very good questions, and I hope you get a sentient answer. However, they have 20 working days after receiving an FOI to respond, so that would be 31 March. We may have an April Fools Day revelation to look forward to!
If NetZero were possible, the U.K. would probably be a great candidate.
Emitting less that 1% of human CO2 contributions, surrounded by often windy seas.
But from the beginning, the government organizations dedicated to this venture were more dedicated to the idea of NetZero than to telling the truth to the public.
From across the pond I haven’t tracked all the prevarication, but I do recall the time I realized the CCC would lie with impunity: their prediction that windless days would greatly increase by 2050.
How could they know that? And the fact was, they didn’t. But they needed a way to make the numbers “work,” and the method they chose was deceit.
So began a constant stream of mendacity, each lie built upon one prior. Obviously never believing there would be a day of reckoning for their collective lack of integrity.
Perhaps believing that one day advances in technology would make their dream possible, they time and again chose lies instead of truth.
It appears now that the ship of fools is foundering on the reef of realities.
But I still do not expect Pinchback or anyone else with responsibility to be truthful.
Being ignorant of British law, I do hope there’s a way for those who have led the public to believe NetZero is cheap, and who have knowingly consistently published execrable lies to be held accountable by the British state.
The main rule in UK law is that we always seem to reward failure. Failures in government, the CS and the quangoes are just moved around, keeping 6-figure salaries or given seats in the HoL etc.
Only this morning the oaf Miliband spouted drivel about how unreliables were 'the cheapest form of energy'. Al Beeb just lets the man waffle. It's a ie. He knows it, we know it, the interviewer knows it but no one responds: to his deceit with: 'you're lying, aren't you?'
Thank you so much, David - I presume you will escalate this to the ICO if they fail to respond to your FOI request? If nothing else, it's just bad manners to totally ignore your emails! They are sadly lacking in any sense of accountability or transparency. As an aside, I would love to know what salary Pinchbeck is on! Surely it's enough to be able to afford a heat pump... which she still doesn't have....
You may find that they don’t have the expertise to answer your FOI.
The CCC was the group using GW as a unit of energy storage, instead of GWh. But this data was cut-n-pasted from a website. Looking further, the author of the website piece was a young lady with a 2nd in economics and management.
I am not sure there is anyone in government or government quangos, who has a clue what is going on in our technical world.
If they don’t have the expertise to answer the FOI then they don’t have the expertise to issue Carbon Budgets either. Lack of expertise doesn’t normally inhibit them!
Scrapping it would be a good start but they won't and given its directing so far down the line they probably need to see the need to damage their environmental credentials. Maybe they will suffocate it of any front of house government media for a while and let it wither on the vine.
It will likely only die when, like the Hydra, all the 'heads' associated with it are severed. The Greek legend has it that one of the Hydra's heads is immortal. Currently on the Government's website there are 183 climate change jobs...eg, a company Climate 17 advertises for a Project Director and Solutions Lead ( Grid and Data Centres) with a salary £95-115k p.a Permanent. It won't die the CCC, it has spawned a plethora of progeny. Those on bigger salaries than the example given aren't going to be deprived of their 'green income', will ensure the 'monster' ( 'climate change/emergency') is well fed. Even if it can be argued the CCC as an entity is crumbling, these pillars of the government's ( and UN's) have a habit of being rebranded and relaunched. (eg, Public Health England, PHE, to UK Health Security Agency UKHSA.....given beefed up remit. Surveillance.....for our 'safety').
I intended to add that all challenges to Net Zero have value, and good questions asked (like from Mr T) are holding the agenda to account in a cumulative way. Others will be encouraged to question along the same lines. The art, or necessity of questioning, on a whole range of issues ('climate change', 'pandemics', political decisions)seems to have gone by the wayside, or nearly so. If the 'climate change' juggernaut can be slowed/stymied that is a plus. My post wasn't meant to throw a dampener on the Article.
Aye lad, there's trouble at 't millstone around the neck of the British taxpaying public. We can but hope that the CCC is indeed in the process of completing the just transition of disappearing up its own backside.
Thank you David! I expect it's very premature, but I wonder if all this is due to a sea change in politics? Which matters more to a government; saving the climate, or saving votes (when the goodwill barrel is down to its last drops and you're an endangered species)? No contest really, is there?
It's more about endless Wars and a giant War Industry that needs prodigious amounts of energy, real energy, not warm sunshine & cool breezes. Augmented by all the A.I. they need to fight their wars and subjugate the population.
The geopolitical situation is has its upside as it allows us to reset policy and the if we are really worried about energy security not exploiting ones indigenous resources has to be a good start.
Yes, I foresee the sad expressions accompanying the announcement of being forced by foreign aggression to reopen North Sea hydrocarbon exploitation for the sake of national security.
Hi again David, have you heard back from the CCC yet? Tick, tock! Also, just saw this - and I can't work out if Pinchbeck is just stupid or mendacious at this point: https://x.com/CleaningUpPod/status/1905319901029359974
CCC - 333 !!!
Mr Turver, I think it too early to celebrate. They're still receiving masses of public money to spout hogwash. All that's happened is they're just ignoring the annoying proles who hinder their grand plan.
The salaries are still pouring in, the destructive law spewing out. Only when the CCC and other pointless such quangos are shut down, the horrific 'net zero' nonsense repealed and the 'climate change' act revoked will there be progress.
You have obviously not understood the rules of the game, the CCC are a law unto themselves, answering to no-one, and certainly not to the peasantry whose role is too just pay taxes and accept that energy poverty set at Third World levels are our “gift” to the planet.
Sadly, you're entirely right. It's too early to celebrate.
I believe an MP asked 'What happens when we meet net zero? What impact will it have on the planet?'
And of course, this was avoided as the answer is: nothing. Not a thing except our counry will be poorer, unhappier and rammed back into the Dark Ages.
Lee Anderson asked Starmer the question simply and directly - how much would temperatures be affected by achieving net zero in the UK? Starmer didn't answer the question, of course.
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/keir-starmer-rinses-reform-with-pmqs-zinger-after-lee-anderson-question-390938/
Thank you, I couldn't remember who it was.
Starmer won't answer because the answer is 'not a jot'. He won't admit that because it skewers the entire farce of the green con: it's nothing but a tax scam.
Kemi has finally come out publicly
https://order-order.com/2025/03/18/kemi-to-declare-net-zero-by-2050-impossible/
after a lot of persuasion from Claire Coutinho in the background. The shadow DESNZ team have mostly been batting from that hymnsheet for a while now. Unsurprisingly, the Conservative Environment Network has come out with heavy criticism, reported e.g. here
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14510659/Kemi-Badenoch-Britain-crap-impossible-Net-Zero-2050-target.html
Perhaps it will split the party. It will certainly ensure that the CEN ousts her as soon as it can. Kemi is at least right that Reform have no clue how to tackle abolishing Net Zero (as we discussed here recently), but she has obviously decided that Tory policy is not yet battle ready either, though to be fair there are a huge number of banana skins coming up for Miliband in the coming months and it might be less effective to try to anticipate how they will unfold.
We all know what will happen though. As soon as she gets into office amazingly she'll find that it is achievable and that we can do it and that it is the most important thing for mankind and higher bills are a small price to pay - for them - under orders from the puppet masters.
I don't agree. Miliband is lining up an energy crisis because his plans are infeasible. That's actually a big factor behind why Kemi has come out against them. The attempts to impose EVs and heat pumps are failing. The idea of insulating the housing stock, starting with rentals will be making people homeless as property is withdrawn by landlords and kept empty until sold. The plan to build lots of wind and cut gas will also fail. Whoever takes over will be forced to build gas because it can be done quickly or even hire in diesel generating ships just to keep the lights on. The economic crash from attempting net zero will make it untenable.
However, there is no guarantee that politician directed solutions will be sensible, as we have already seen from Reform. We are going to have to keep sticking our necks out to try to steer parties against net zero in the right direction.
You are right in what you say - the policies are failing (although our house did get one, but as I've said, I'd have liked the choice of gas or a heatpump).
However you're ignoring the mendacity, spite and stupidity of government. These people lie constantly, endlessly. The damage their idiocy does is irrelevant to them. The Left don't care about the consequences. If they did net zero would be abandoned faster than molten uranium.
I'll take a bet - a penny, mind - that either Badenoch is defenestrated swiftly over this view or, should she get into office she will volte face at a speed Superman would be proud of to continue the hoax.
We should be building nuclear, coal and gas power stations now. Why coal and gas? Because we need an energy mix, not reliance on one type of fuel.
Badenoch will almost certainly be ousted, at least if the party remains intact. If it splits the first question is what happens to the particles. It's not clear that she would retain leadership if say Jenrick split with her. But I think Jenrick would be more likely to backslide than Badenoch. Neither would really have much of an option other than to try to repair the effects of the net zero wrecking ball. But there is lots of scope to make a mess of that.
I've become a dreadful cynic in my old age and I do no believe - short of violence - that the Left will ever let the tax scam hoax of 'climate change' go. They've prepared well, with multiple entrenched legislation, regulation and countless quangos bedding it in.
Too many mouths (I quite like pigs so can't compare politicians to them) are at the trough for them to let it go. It is their vehicle to force poverty and control over the public and industry. They'll not tolerate anyone jeopardising their 'final solution'.
That is why repairing the damage is about a lot more than just politicians. You need to have people lined up to redirect the quangos and close many of them down, and you need to know which bits you need to keep
You would have thought that someone with a Classics degree would at least have some knowledge of the Roman Warm Period.
These are very good questions, and I hope you get a sentient answer. However, they have 20 working days after receiving an FOI to respond, so that would be 31 March. We may have an April Fools Day revelation to look forward to!
Yes, 20 days for a full response. But in my experience it is usual to acknowledge requests within a day or so.
If NetZero were possible, the U.K. would probably be a great candidate.
Emitting less that 1% of human CO2 contributions, surrounded by often windy seas.
But from the beginning, the government organizations dedicated to this venture were more dedicated to the idea of NetZero than to telling the truth to the public.
From across the pond I haven’t tracked all the prevarication, but I do recall the time I realized the CCC would lie with impunity: their prediction that windless days would greatly increase by 2050.
How could they know that? And the fact was, they didn’t. But they needed a way to make the numbers “work,” and the method they chose was deceit.
So began a constant stream of mendacity, each lie built upon one prior. Obviously never believing there would be a day of reckoning for their collective lack of integrity.
Perhaps believing that one day advances in technology would make their dream possible, they time and again chose lies instead of truth.
It appears now that the ship of fools is foundering on the reef of realities.
But I still do not expect Pinchback or anyone else with responsibility to be truthful.
Being ignorant of British law, I do hope there’s a way for those who have led the public to believe NetZero is cheap, and who have knowingly consistently published execrable lies to be held accountable by the British state.
The main rule in UK law is that we always seem to reward failure. Failures in government, the CS and the quangoes are just moved around, keeping 6-figure salaries or given seats in the HoL etc.
Only this morning the oaf Miliband spouted drivel about how unreliables were 'the cheapest form of energy'. Al Beeb just lets the man waffle. It's a ie. He knows it, we know it, the interviewer knows it but no one responds: to his deceit with: 'you're lying, aren't you?'
Thank you so much, David - I presume you will escalate this to the ICO if they fail to respond to your FOI request? If nothing else, it's just bad manners to totally ignore your emails! They are sadly lacking in any sense of accountability or transparency. As an aside, I would love to know what salary Pinchbeck is on! Surely it's enough to be able to afford a heat pump... which she still doesn't have....
Wasn’t the creation of the CCC so that politicians could say they were “following the science” rather than debating the issues in parliament?
You may find that they don’t have the expertise to answer your FOI.
The CCC was the group using GW as a unit of energy storage, instead of GWh. But this data was cut-n-pasted from a website. Looking further, the author of the website piece was a young lady with a 2nd in economics and management.
I am not sure there is anyone in government or government quangos, who has a clue what is going on in our technical world.
Ralph
If they don’t have the expertise to answer the FOI then they don’t have the expertise to issue Carbon Budgets either. Lack of expertise doesn’t normally inhibit them!
Scrapping it would be a good start but they won't and given its directing so far down the line they probably need to see the need to damage their environmental credentials. Maybe they will suffocate it of any front of house government media for a while and let it wither on the vine.
Thank you for the update and positive news. Sincerely hope that the CCC will die quickly.
It will likely only die when, like the Hydra, all the 'heads' associated with it are severed. The Greek legend has it that one of the Hydra's heads is immortal. Currently on the Government's website there are 183 climate change jobs...eg, a company Climate 17 advertises for a Project Director and Solutions Lead ( Grid and Data Centres) with a salary £95-115k p.a Permanent. It won't die the CCC, it has spawned a plethora of progeny. Those on bigger salaries than the example given aren't going to be deprived of their 'green income', will ensure the 'monster' ( 'climate change/emergency') is well fed. Even if it can be argued the CCC as an entity is crumbling, these pillars of the government's ( and UN's) have a habit of being rebranded and relaunched. (eg, Public Health England, PHE, to UK Health Security Agency UKHSA.....given beefed up remit. Surveillance.....for our 'safety').
Reading your note demonstrates my over optimistic nature. Let's be thankful to people like David for continuing to hammer away at Net Zero zealotary.
I intended to add that all challenges to Net Zero have value, and good questions asked (like from Mr T) are holding the agenda to account in a cumulative way. Others will be encouraged to question along the same lines. The art, or necessity of questioning, on a whole range of issues ('climate change', 'pandemics', political decisions)seems to have gone by the wayside, or nearly so. If the 'climate change' juggernaut can be slowed/stymied that is a plus. My post wasn't meant to throw a dampener on the Article.
Totally agree with your sentiment and we should all definitely keep the pressure on whenever and wherever the opportunity.
Aye lad, there's trouble at 't millstone around the neck of the British taxpaying public. We can but hope that the CCC is indeed in the process of completing the just transition of disappearing up its own backside.
It's fundament al.
They’re all too busy planning their personal carbon budgets for 2038-2043 to answer FOIA questions.
Thank you David! I expect it's very premature, but I wonder if all this is due to a sea change in politics? Which matters more to a government; saving the climate, or saving votes (when the goodwill barrel is down to its last drops and you're an endangered species)? No contest really, is there?
It's more about endless Wars and a giant War Industry that needs prodigious amounts of energy, real energy, not warm sunshine & cool breezes. Augmented by all the A.I. they need to fight their wars and subjugate the population.
The geopolitical situation is has its upside as it allows us to reset policy and the if we are really worried about energy security not exploiting ones indigenous resources has to be a good start.
Yes, I foresee the sad expressions accompanying the announcement of being forced by foreign aggression to reopen North Sea hydrocarbon exploitation for the sake of national security.