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These prices don’t factor in any backup storage energy. If wind operators had to fund stored backup, instead of using gas energy as a backup, this would double or treble the cost of wind and solar energy.

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David, thanks for this detailed analysis.

As the financial data are derived from official accounts, the analysis seems irrefutable, and strongly suggests that wind-farms of almost any type will never be economical - as many suspected.

PSB three broad and somewhat rhetorical issues/Qs, several of which may have been considered in some of your previous posts:

[1] The cost differences between cheapest and most expensive Total Costs in £ per MWh seems enormous. The CFD Funded Farms variation is c.£70 for E Anglia One & Dudgeon versus a wide range of £120-£250 per MWh for the others. The variation for the three ROC Funded Farms seems much smaller, within a range of c.£ 105-£115 per MWh. This begs several Qs. Is some/all of this merely creative accounting, as you suggested in one case? Is one particular design of farm so much better/cheaper that it should be the template for all others? Should these costs have been foreseen by either HMG or the contractor well in advance of construction (a long shot)? Is there any evidence to suggest what the future cost trend(s) will be for the various types of wind-farms, especially long term maintenance and replacement cost profiles?

[2] What about the non-financial costs, especially in two main areas: [a] the CO2 costs of construction and maintenance (though many would say these are relatively unimportant)? And [b] other environmental and wild-life impacts? I think you have touched on both areas before but altruists might suppose that the caring Church of Net Zero would be pleased to be fully transparent about the data in these areas.

[3] Back-up energy costs (not just electricity) are perhaps the issue of greatest concern. Unless nuclear fusion (which has always been 30 years away) suddenly becomes viable, it seems certain that the ongoing need for non-renewable back-up electricity generation (mainly CCGT?) would greatly exacerbate the already uneconomical supposedly renewable energy costs.

The renewable energy future for the UK is looking impossibly expensive and often smacks of illogical and lazy ideological planning. It looks as if the wind-farm emperors have very few clothes, but the government tailor is happy to keep lending expensive cloaks. Almost worse, there is a strong sense that HMG would never dare to end the subsidies regime. Please keep chipping away.

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