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Jul 2Liked by David Turver

Great piece, David!

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You lost my sympathy when you pose mitigation and adoption as alternatives. It a simultaneous equation to solve. the less CO2 that goes into the atmosphere, the less adaption we have to do. The cost of emissions include the cost of adapting to those emissions and so the costs one needs to undertake to avoid emitting CO2.

There is probably an argument to be made that we are not allocating investment between mitigation and adaption optimally but the tradeoff is with total investment and indeed with investment vs consumption, not just investment in mitigation and adaption.

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It is entirely pointless to reduce CO2 in the UK when the UK is a minor 1% or so of total global human emissions. There is no realistic scenario where cutting 1% or even 5% of global CO2 emissions makes any plausible difference in outcome

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Of course, that is true for any one country. Perhaps UK does not aspire to leadership, I think the US should and I do think that if we had a tax on net emissions with a CBAM enough OECD countries would join voluntarily to make it worthwhile for other to join out of narrow self interest.

The argument is even stronger if revenue were used to reduce more distorting taxes like those on business income.

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It probably doesn't make sense in the US either TBH. The main producers of CO2 are China, India and other rapidly developing/industrializing. nations. Noah Smith recently pointed out that (https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/the-elemental-foe )for leaders of those countries lifting their citizens out of poverty is job 1 and they will use fossil fuels to do so,

BTW a carbon tax instead of corporation tax is probably a good thing, I don't disagree with that, in theory. But in practice what we have seen in the last two decades is that such taxes just incentivize producers to move their manufacturing to the aforementioned rapidly industrializing countries. That's great for these countries economies and not bad for the emissions of the developed world, but makes no difference at all to total emissions.

What the developed world probably ought to do is come up with better nukes or other energy technologies that can replace / reduce fossil fuel usage

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China and India should definitely aim for high growth [the US, too!] which will require greater use of energy. I totally agree with Noah. But the deadweight loss of taxation of CO2 emissions is fortunately not high enough to derail that growth. We all just source our energy needs from lower and eventually zero CO2 emitting sources, which is exactly what taxation of net CO2 emissions incentivizes.

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I addressed that point. Mitigation can only work if CO2 is the only climate control knob and everyone else also slashes emissions. Neither condition is met.

So tell me, how much should we spend to cut the remaining half of our emissions that amount to <1% of the global total and what effect will that have on global temperatures and the weather?

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I'd say we should have the tax on net emissions that we would have if all DID go along wit the tax with fair chance that we coud get Europe to do the same. Together and with an CO2 content import fee this would create an incentive for others to adopt what is after all the least costly policy.

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"I would describe myself as a lukewarmer, by which I mean that I acknowledge the earth is warming and that human emissions of CO2 have made some contribution to that warming. However, it is also true that the climate has changed dramatically without human intervention; clearly, there are other causes of climate change too."

I like the way you put this-- you can count me as a fellow lukewarmer. I'm personally of the opinion that all of these emissions/green efforts are generally worth the effort. Humans will be on this earth indefinitely, we might as put some of our resources and efforts towards doing so in an indefinitely sustainable fashion. With that said, there are often more pressing matters to focus on instead.

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Excellent post!. Humans by and large have used adoption for ages to improve human flourishing. Why stop now?

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Jul 1·edited Jul 1

David, your posts are excellent, especially this last one 'Risks to Net Zero'. You previously posted a review of the General Election policy's for all of the polictical parties, this needs wider publicity especially as only the Reform party's policy to scrap Net Zero is sensible. Have you circulated your blogs to Labour, Tories, Lib Dems and Greens? Also, are you able to foward these to the media, especially GB News and Talk TV? It's highly likely that the BBC, ITV, Channel 4 & Sky will just ignore you. We can circulate your blogs to our friends and families but our contacts are usually limited.

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FAKE ANTHROPOGENIC GLOBAL WARMING

Bottom line is that the Ideal Gas Laws PROVE CO2 does not cause global warming. Climate is cyclical and via inductance it’s directly connected to the EMF heliosphere of the sun - Field theory is a proven theory. Ideal Gas Laws are proven laws of physics. If that’s not enough for the sell-out co-called “scientists”, ice core data and tree rings also prove the same thing: temperature rises from the sun’s activity, which releases CO2 in the ocean and permafrost, which then cools the earth, because it’s a self-balancing system. The hockey stick graph of Al Gore’s and Michael Mann hides the fact that temp rises first and 600 years later CO2 rises to offset the temp. So what’s real… globalist climate models that mix and match positive and negative feedback variables and cherry pick temp data, or the laws of physics and proven theories of science? The only science globalists use is psychology to instil fear for mass manipulation, media hypnosis, bribery and BS for dumbed-down parrots that like to glue themselves to highways in protest of a life-giving gas.

1) Ideal gas laws DEFINITIVELY PROVE that CO2 does not cause global warming and in fact release of CO2 follows a temp rise in a closed system to keep it balanced (Temp rises, releasing trapped CO2 from water, inc. frozen ground).

2) Ice core records and tree rings also prove CO2 does not cause global warming.

3) Real science shows we are headed into a mini ice age - It's undeniable if searching via an uncensored search engine IE yandex.com

4) “Global warming” is globalist propaganda to control economies and divide/demoralize people for a system of global slavery. Control energy → control economy → control national/local governments.

I put a report together for a presentation to 3rd year Enviro Science student in 2010; they freaked out, quite literally. The instructor had to bring in the government head of environmental science to put the kids back in their safety bubble. Not one of them had read a book about the science of climate, but they all watched Al Gore’s movie and they all were trained to see oil as the enemy. This is the link to the report, if you’re interested: https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1QBN2wqN2iKifGFuZzdEWy88uuUnvGhP_

FIRE AND ICE REPORT WAS SCRUBBED BUT STILL AVAILABLE ON THE WAYBACK MACHINE

Journalists have warned of climate change for 100 years, but can’t decide whether we face an ice age or global warming FYI… Ideal Gas Laws prove C02 doesn't cause global warming, as do ice cores and tree rings. Positive and negative feedback variables balance each other out via pressure, temp and vol. The change catalyst is the Sun:

COOLING 1900

New York Times February 24, 1867 - The Glacial Period

New York Times February 24, 1895 - Prospects of Another Glacial Period

New York Times October 7, 1912 - Glacial Era Coming

New York Times June 10, 1923 - Menace of a New Ice Age to be Tested by Scientists

Los Angeles Times June 28, 1923 - Ice-Age Theory will be Sifted

Chicago Daily Tribune August 9, 1923 - Scientist Says Arctic Ice Will Wipe Out Canada

Washington Post August 10, 1923 - Volcanoes in Australia; Ice Age Coming Here

Los Angeles Times April 6, 1924 - New Ice-Age is Forecast

New York Times September 28, 1924 - MacMillan Reports Signs of New Ice Age

Los Angeles Times March 11, 1929 - Is Another Ice Age Coming?

WARMING 1930

Washington Post August 2, 1930 - Hot Weather

Washington Post May 3, 1932 - Second World Flood Seen, if Earth’s Heat Increases

The New York Times May 15, 1932 - Next Great Deluge Forecast by Science

New York Times March 27, 1933 - America in Longest Warm Spell Since 1776; Temp. Line Records a 25-Year Rise

Time January 2, 1939 - Warmer World

New York Times August 10, 1952 - Our Changing Climate

New York Times July 12, 1953 - The Weather is Really Changing

New York Times February 15, 1959 - A Warmer Earth Evident at Poles

New York Times February 20, 1969 - Expert Says Arctic Ocean Will Soon Be an Open Sea

COOLING 1970

Washington Post January 11, 1970 - Colder Winters Held Dawn of New Ice Age

New York Times January 27, 1972 - Climate Experts Assay Ice Age Clues

Time June 24, 1974 - Another Ice Age?

New York Times August 8, 1974 - Climate Changes Endanger World’s Food Output

Newsweek April 28, 1975 - The Cooling World

International Wildlife July-August 1975 - In the Grip of a New Ice Age?

New York Times January 19, 1975 - Climate Changes Called Ominous

New York Times May 21, 1975 - Scientists Ask Why World Climate Is Changing; Major Cooling May Be Ahead.

U.S. News & World Report May 31, 1976 - Even U.S. Farms May be Hit by Cooling Trend

WARMING 1990

New York Times August 13, 1991 - Ranges Of Animals and Plants Head North

New York Times April 16, 1993 - TV Weekend; World Ends Not With a Bang, but a Heat Wave

New York Times December 8, 2002 - Arctic Ice Is Melting at Record Level, Scientists Say

Los Angeles Times December 16, 2005 - 2005 Vying With '98 as Record Hot Year

New York Times May 20, 2005 - Warming Is Blamed for Antarctica's Weight Gain

New York Times September 14, 2005 - Using Central Park to Study Global Warming and Flooding

New York Times October 25, 2005 - No Escape: Thaw Gains Momentum

New York Times December 27, 2005 - Past Hot Times Hold Few Reasons to Relax About New Warming

Telegraph February 2, 2006 - We've Lost Our Fear of Hellfire, But Put Climate Change in its Place

SCRUBBED FROM NET BUT STILL ON WAYBACK MACHINE https://web.archive.org/web/20060816171020/http://www.businessandmedia.org/specialreports/2006/fireandice/fireandice_Bibliography.asp

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Jun 30Liked by David Turver

David says “I acknowledge the earth is warming and that human emissions of CO2 have made some contribution to that warming”. Discounting the recent unprecedented spike in global temperatures which was so large and sudden that it could not possibly have been caused by man-made CO2 (it was almost certainly due to the 2022 Hunga Tonga volcanic eruption), I would dispute that the earth is currently warming. A WoodForTrees.org graph of the UAH global temperature series from 1998 to 2023 (just before Hunga Tonga manifested) indicates flatlining going into cooling: https://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/uah6/from:1998/to:2023.

As for the impact of man-made CO2 on global warming, the CO2 Coalition has published a study by van Wijngaarden and Happer which concluded that “Doubling the CO2 concentration increases the infrared absorption by only a few percent”: https://co2coalition.org/publications/van-wijngaarden-and-happer-radiative-transfer-paper-for-five-greenhouse-gases-explained/

The global warming impact of atmospheric CO2 is due mainly to the first 50 ppm, after which the effect falls off exponentially. We should be grateful for that 50 ppm worth of CO2 greenhouse gas global warming although if that was all we had we would be below the level at which plant growth shuts down, as shown in this helpful graphic: https://www.therightinsight.org/media/HeatingEffectofCO2-800x600.jpg.

As Emeritus Professor Hal Lewis said back in 2010, “global warming is the most successful pseudoscientific fraud I have seen in my long life as a physicist”: https://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/Opinion/2010/1019/Climate-change-fraud-letter-a-Martin-Luther-moment-in-science-history

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Jun 30·edited Jun 30Liked by David Turver

Thanks David - a superb analytical summary of the death knell that is net zero - with an incoming Labour Govt, it’s going to be interesting to see reality meet ideology

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Jun 30Liked by David Turver

Those who want even more flesh on this corpse should read Lomborg's False Alarm and Shellenberger's Apocalypse Never.

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Jun 30Liked by David Turver

Thank you for another thought-provoking post David.

It is reckoned that the UK's annually emits 1% or so of human global atmospheric carbon dioxide, but our overall contribution is higher, because we've exported so much productive industry and import the goods. (Was that a good idea, I ask in parenthesis?) That 1% will shrink, because while our energy use is relatively steady, the developing world is primarily interested in improving living standards, followed by air quality, and carbon dioxide emissions trailing.

To mitigate that 1% with an at-all-costs approach, given the indebtedness of our economy, makes no sense. With real operating experience of a diversity of power sources, and facing an increasingly unpredictable and possibly hostile world, it is time for the UK to take stock and change tack. It's the government's duty to give energy security, reliability and affordability top priority, as the French did and the Germans didn't (the example for which we must be grateful).

Ironically, I happen to believe that this approach, paying proper attention to physics and energy density (so yes, the N word), would result over time in lower net emissions than the current one, based as it is on wishful thinking and an inflated sense of our county's importance in the world. Bullshit makes a lousy fuel.

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I’ll steal your last sentence

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Feel free - I'm honoured! I don't believe I got it from anywhere else.

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Jun 30Liked by David Turver

Excellent article summing up the whole issue very well.

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Here is the rub: the alleged 'cure' is, without any shadow of a doubt, going to be much worse than the phantom 'disease' - and it is a phantom until proven otherwise, despite the exhaustive protestations of of the 'settled science' fan club and their ad nauseum appeals to authority. The 'necessity' case made for climate mitigation is a Swiss cheese full of holes you can drive a coach and horses through. The 'safe and effective' argument is also demonstrably false, as shown here in this article by David. Re. 'necessity', here is a comment I've just left on another site:

"From my point of view, the ‘disease’ is a diagnosed 1.2C rise in global mean surface temperature (prior to the sudden and unexplained – by the settled science – acceleration in 2023), roughly coincident with the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, which itself coincided with an upturn in global temperature immediately following an entirely natural and exceptionally cold period known as the Little Ice Age. The diagnosis of the disease is the averaged sum of all climate models which allegedly account for all or most of this recent temperature rise (even though natural causes of climate change are very poorly constrained in the models). The additional diagnosis of the disease is the supposed increase in extreme weather, especially heatwaves, and their alleged attribution on an individual basis to ‘climate change’ (i.e. the observed long term increase in regional mean surface temperature which is presumed to be directly related to the increase in global mean surface temperature – even though there are many other factors which can and do influence regional temperature trends).

The models project a worsening of the ‘disease’ in the years to come, absent a sharp reduction in CO2 emissions.

You can see why I’m somewhat sceptical."

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You should remain sceptical Jaime. " Anthropomorphic Climate Change" is a military grade PsyOp by the Globalist Cabal intent on a global government initiated by Cecil Rhodes would you believe - https://austrianpeter.substack.com/p/cecil-john-rhodes-a-south-african?r=hhrlz&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&triedRedirect=true

BUT the Brits are behind most of this criminal activity: https://austrianpeter.substack.com/p/broken-britain-wartime-edition-abject?r=hkcp6&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

Tell me I am wrong?

Blessings

AP

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I love this: I think it is correct..

Alan Jones on the C02 myth.

https://x.com/wideawake_media/status/1800118436187758793?s=12&t=L2eL_FH-crT9ME_-0pahfA

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The problem with the conjecture of "CO2 causing heating" is that it has the same weight as Brane theory. It cannot be demonstrated and when you start to look at details such as radiative transfer you realise they just copied stellar models (which were wrong for many years). The Blackbody model was used to estimate stellar temperatures up until the late 70s until Kurucz developed his stellar model based on emission patterns. The same leeway and uncertainties that exist in that thinking are all evident in the Man Made Global Warming idea.

None of it has been verified. The precision needed in things as simple as temperature measurements is not there. The IPCC is a collection of papers and opinions not a verification exercise. The UK government has not done any of this either. I asked them. They are applying a conjecture to real life as if it is fact and not allowing that idea to be tested in the engineering and audit process to be safe.

The belief that man may be contributing to heating is predicated on there being a precise temperature record able to resolve down to the 0.01 Deg C variation per year required by the MMGW conjecture. I call it a conjecture because a hypothesis needs a falsification case. We don't seem to have one with the cult of MMGW.

Believing in any significant contributions from man made emission of CO2 is just whimsy. And in the wrong hands as we see today a WMD.

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