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Ed Hoskins's avatar

Would anyone sane buy a car costing some 10 times the normal price to buy and run, that can only work one day in six, when you never know which day that might be ? And then insist that its technology is the only way to power a whole developed economy.

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SmithFS's avatar

Doing the calculation with pumped hydro is not relevant. Someone needs to do the EROI calculation for the Wind/Solar plan as it exists today. And that is battery & green hydrogen for storage. Green H2 for process heat. Heat pumps for building heat. And long distance, poorly loaded transmission, to improve the Capacity Factor of the Solar/Wind energy supply. And a whole lot of Overbuild due to seasonal variation. The hydrogen will presumably use fuel cells for electricity production.

And then there is the EROI for wind/solar/storage/hydrogen for transportation applications.

I suspect if you do a complete EROI calculation for those REAL WORLD power grids, it will be around 1:1. Even worse in many regions.

And Charles Hall puts the minimum EROI for a modern industrial civilization with benefits like Arts & Culture, Pensions, Health Care, Education, Military, Legal System at 14:1.

And that 14:1 is going to be made even higher by all the chicanery going on in Government now. i.e.:

Stupid destructive endless wars

Creating all kinds of overpaid less-than-worthless jobs like Offices of Diversity, Equity & Inclusion

ESG mandates

Endless scam projects like Solar Roadways

Casino Capitalism financial scams

Carbon Trading scams, i.e. Net Zero

Plandemic scams i.e. lockdowns, economic blockades

Agrofuel scams

Scams waste energy & resources. 14:1 EROI isn't going to be enough.

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